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bayotle there are many problems if there is not a large enough pool for insurers.....If you do not force folks to join in, they will opt-out when they are young and healthy and then try to opt-in when they are old and ill....At that point insurers will not take them and if they do not qualify for a government plan they are left with no ability to get insurance...

Well ash how much would you have had to put in out of your pocket for 10 years of Dialysis and then a subsequent kidney transfer?...For our family we paid nothing....Or would your insurer found a way to cancel you or drastically increase your premiums....In Canada your health-care coverage can not be canceled... It is really easy to pick out little bits and pieces that justify your argument but when you look at the big picture many Americans are far worse off than Canadians....

Now, Now Rodger, you must correct your spelling and use PROPER grammar when you speak...... 1. Now look at this mess *Notice you didn't put a "T" in there! ooops2. Now, Now.... *Note, you didn't spell this correctly Rodger. It is spelled B-E-N-E-F-I-T(Taking ruler out of pocket and slapping you in the back of the head) haahaahThis concludes today's lesson in proper grammar. Cheerio and pip, pip, and all that jive weeeeeeeeeeeeee wwwwwhhahaahahhaha Sometimes... no most of the time, I QUACK MYSELF UP! hahaahahah

This is true. Yes, I agree BJ that something NEEDS to be done, I just don't agree with the government control over what we do and what we don't.I agree to disagree, I do agree with some points, but we as a free people cannot let them take one inch of our freedom away from us. We are already letting them do way to much to us as it is. Thats why my fore fathers died..... to be free. period. Good lord guy's, we already let them tell us what to do in OUR OWN car.... Get your seat belt on, sit down, and shutup!!!!! They tried to chop our guns up, thats not going to happen without a war! Just wait, the south's gonna do it again! weeeeeeee heehehh Here's where your misconception creeps in, because Universal healthcare is not an abridgment of rights but an expansion of rights and a way to get from under the thumb of for-profit insurance companies and a corrupt system, while some groups have coverage over other groups. As every other first-world country with Universal healthcare demonstrates, you will not be goose-stepping in Times Square simply because you go from private insurance to government-backed insurance. Remember, Medicare has worked for years with efficiency and is a government-run system. So is VA care and prisoner care. Think about this. All Universal healthcare is is a way to consolidate all these disparate systems into one, more efficient system, which covers everyone (not just some) and spreads costs over more people to lower your personal costs. It's basic economics. Germany has a system where individuals have a government-guaranteed package and keep private insurance their entire lives. The insurance company only gets government funds if the individual chooses to remain with a particular company, and Germans have about 200 different companies to choose from. This competition breeds better customer-service and added-value coverage, etc. These companies compete in a capitalistic sense, yet every German is guaranteed a base package of healthcare by the government so insurance companies cannot play games with insurance denial, refusal, denying tests and procedures ordered by trained medical staff, reject people with pre-existing conditions (which is one of the reasons we need healthcare to begin with), etc. Removing the for-profit status of insurance companies and having a government-backed base healthcare package gives us choice, coverage (the purpose of healthcare) while removing corruption that exists now. For those who work union, it's the same concept. There is power in numbers, and it helps to prevent corruption. The current system is rife with corruption and it needs reform and an overhaul. This will be an improvement for everyone and at a lower cost (I know it's hard to believe), but all one needs to do is go live in another first-world country for a while and experience a different system firsthand. Barring that, read about it in the book I recommended. The point is to retain our freedoms without being forced as Americans in the richest nation on Earth to choose between healthcare and bankruptcy for those of us who happen not to be insured, or whose jobs don't offer health insurance. None of us choose cancer or Alzheimer's or choose to have kids with debilitating diseases, but yet these things happen. It is currently illegal to drive in most states without car insurance. Is this socialism? After all, car insurance is required, with stiff penalties for being caught driving without it. We are even asked to pay more to cover those who don't have it for any reason. Is this socialism, or good economics? Likewise, we cannot afford to cover all Americans (including the sickest Americans), if for-profit insurance companies are free to cherry-pick only the healthiest people to cover while rejecting and playing games of rescission with the rest. This is if nothing else, inhumane and un-American, as a great nation and leading world-power who values its most valuable asset: We The People.

My income (which you apparently underestimate) is not relevant to your obvious spelling errors. Since my corrections are valid, no amount of income will change the observed fact of a repeatedly misspelled word. Now, I am not saying you're not smart because you can't spell common words, but I do question your attention-to-detail and observation skills. Also, your reaction to a simple spelling-correction (which you can probably fix easily) isn't ideal for someone willing to correct mistakes. How does this apply to your facts regarding healthcare? It makes me think you're not listening, and probably not too open to consider views you don't already hold. See the connection? So, you only learn from fifth-grade teachers? Last I checked, education never stops. I am 42, I take it you're about my age? I am always learning, even from Internet forums. I am not trying to down you, but you might want to take up your apparent spelling frustration with the a dictionary or accept that your misspellings are wrong until you decide to fix them. Personally, I thank those who correct my repeated spelling-errors, but that's me. I want to be less wrong and more right. Please try not to take this personally. You have the *right* to say what you want in general, but you don't have the right to have your views respected if your views are obviously wrong in some demonstrable way. Simply because we have different viewpoints doesn't mean they're equal or that the truth lies in the middle. That's a false-equivalence fallacy, something you learn about well past fifth-grade. The bottom line here regarding this issue is that you clearly need to do more research and talk with less certainty about a subject you're not very certain about, because what you say (which is what we know about your views) is full of misinformation or just outright fear. Remember, you compared Universal healthcare to Hitler. Think about what you say if you want people to react well to your views. They don't get respect merely because you hold them, and all views are subject to scrutiny, especially when you post them on public forums. Unfortunately, your spelling does affect your credibility...because if you can't muster 3-letter words, how much are you really reviewing your facts? Perhaps I am wrong to make that connection, yet I do, and many others might as well. (Didn't your fifth-grade teacher tell you this?). Also, I think you'd be surprised to find out how much your 850.00 drugs costs in Mexico or Canada, if you'd care to research it. If you name the drug I can probably help research it, but that's your private matter and if you choose not to disclose it, I wouldn't blame ya. Stay on point, and let's not get too personal.

"Me on medicare...? haahahah not hardly. I don't sit on my butt and let someone take care of me." are you suggesting that my 88 year old mother (and the millions of elderly in this country) are sitting on their butts letting someone else take care of them? Got news for ya....when you pay your social security every year...you are paying into the medicare fund. It's not a giveaway...everyone on it paid into it. And when the time comes that you NEED it, you'll be GD thankful for it..trust me.

Too bad it wasn't that easy to get negative feedback removed from ebay as it is around this place? If someone screws up then they should be held accountable so someone else doesnt have a bad experience with the same person. end of rant.............

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Humm.... you made a typo NUK. She said generics ARE MORE money man. $1200.00 deductable a year..... humm I pay $400.00 yearly for family of 4 Tylonol $20.25 a bottle hummm http://www.cvs.com/C...jump&navCount=3 Let's see.... then she has to pay for meds I paid 5% of $850.00 bucks the other day..... Poor NUK, I feel sorry for ya man. You don't see it, if it's slapping you in the face, do ya? Like I said, you can go on for the rest of your book writing life on here, and the outcome will be the same. OBAMA care stinks! Drug companies and doctors are charging a fortune, then in turn it makes the insurance rates higher! We need drug company reform, not Obama Care I'm done with this thread NUK.... so save your book for publishing. Watch out for your typo's like that man! ahhahaahahahah School 101..... understanding what you read. Here, go read this, it will help you understand things more clearly. http://www.nvcc.edu/...erstanding1.htm Have an AWESOME day! I will! hehehehehe