kkeeble 64 Posted November 27, 2017 Does any one know if there is a spec on what kind of vinyl and what the size of the identification numbers need to be for aircraft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikemike 711 Posted November 27, 2017 Yes there definitely is. But I am not sure what they are, or where to get the specs. FAA would be a place to start. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tooler82 182 Posted November 27, 2017 On fixed-wing aircraft, marks must be displayed on either the vertical tail surfaces or the sides of the fuselage. If displayed on the vertical tail surfaces, they shall be horizontal on both surfaces of a single vertical tail or on the outer surfaces of a multivertical tail. If displayed on the fuselage surfaces, then horizontally on both sides of the fuselage between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. Exceptions to the location and size requirement for certain aircraft can be found in 14 CFR part 45. On rotorcraft, marks must be displayed horizontally on both surfaces of the cabin, fuselage, boom, or tail. On airships, balloons, powered parachutes, and weight-shift control aircraft, display marks as required by 14 CFR part 45. Almost universally for U.S.-registered, standard certificated, fixed-wing aircraft, the marks must be at least12 inches high. A glider may display marks at least 3 inches high. In all cases, the marks must be of equal height, two-thirds as wide as they are high, and the characters must be formed by solid lines one-sixth as wide as they are high. The letters “M” and “W” may be as wide as they are high. The spacing between each character may not be less than onefourth of the character width. The marks required by 14 CFR part 45 for fixed-wing aircraft must have the same height, width, thickness, and spacing on both sides of the aircraft. The marks must be painted or, if decalcomanias (decals), be affixed in a permanent manner. Other exceptions to the size and location of the marks are applicable to aircraft with Special Airworthiness certificates and those penetrating ADIZ and DEWIZ airspace. The current 14 CFR part 45 should be consulted for a complete copy of the rules. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tooler82 182 Posted November 27, 2017 Here's Chapter 8 with all the info. ama_Ch08.pdf 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeeble 64 Posted November 27, 2017 Thank you... Now what about material...i see 3M makes aircraft vinyl.. has anyone installed decals on aircraft before.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tooler82 182 Posted November 27, 2017 3M A7322 or Orajet 3967AC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slice&dice 2,450 Posted November 27, 2017 Wow. This thread really got technical !!!! Very nice to see, nice change of pace from SignBlazer stuff that is neverending! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tooler82 182 Posted November 27, 2017 I hope I was able to help them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeeble 64 Posted November 27, 2017 yes tooler82 you have been helpful.. Have you ever used any one of these products in the past... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tooler82 182 Posted November 27, 2017 Have the 3M. Also if you have to go on rivets be sure to use some Pro Bond or some other kind of adhesive promotor / primer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfatty500 454 Posted November 30, 2017 I would check with the MFG. of the Aircraft before I would put my hat in the ring.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wildgoose 4,200 Posted December 6, 2017 I did a one off number set and logo for a bush pilot up in Anchorage AK. He gave me the specs and being a bush pilot in AK was not too picky (I think those guys are about half crazy) but there are a LOT of extra regulations when dealing with the FAA. His definitely had special requirements one of which was actual size and a certain font for the numbers. He installed so I didn't have to mess with that. I believe we used Oracal 951 for him but it was several years ago so I can't remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeeble 64 Posted December 6, 2017 These are for a flight group and are just their logo that will fo on the wings...one vendor said that do alot for piper aircraft and they use 3m 220... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wildgoose 4,200 Posted December 7, 2017 Near as I can tell 3M 220/225 is pretty much the equivalent of 951. If you buy some see if you can get the 225. It's the same vinyl but on a clear synthetic liner. It's nice stuff and the liner can be used for awesome stencils later as well as re-used for multi layer work in place of parchment paper. http://forum.uscutter.com/index.php?/topic/48792-layering-with-parchment-paper/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeeble 64 Posted December 7, 2017 have you used this stuff before? I use that trick all the time with layering... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wildgoose 4,200 Posted December 9, 2017 My local seller is a 3M/Gerber dealer so I buy it off and on when I need a certain color or if I run out of something last minute. I like the 225 with the synthetic liner especially for tiny cut jobs. Weeds wonderful. The regular 220 is fine but nothing special as compared to Oracal and the 225 is not available locally at 15" or 30" so I still primarily buy 751 or 951 from USCutter. Hard to beat that stuff and their prices are better as long as I have time for the two day shipping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites