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Upgrading Your Cutter; Tips From the Other Side!

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I spent a lot of time on this board with my former handle of 'NukleoN' but I changed it to SpacepodGraphics since that's the name of my sticker business. I started with a U.S. Cutter LP24 cutter. Quite a decent stepper-motor machine for getting started, and not too expensive. I'd say I got into decal cutting around mid 2009 or so, so I've been using the LP24 since then and I've done everything on it, from single-color vinyl to multi-color, contour-cutting and even domed decals. 

I had always pined for a Roland cutter, namely the GS-24 with optical eye once I first took notice of it. At $1795 (with stand) from U.S. Cutter, it was mostly out of my reach....even when sticker sales were decent. Putting out that much at once for what seems like a cutter which will do the same thing as the LP24 is tough...in theory. In practice? Well that's why I am writing this; 

Here are some things you may not realize about the differences between a budget cutter and the pro stuff, from my own experience and perspective. 

1. Your cutter may be loud, all the time. One of the things that struck me about the Roland compared to the LP24 was how QUIET it is...not just cutting but when I unload the vinyl, it goes into a quieter conservation mode. It knows when I have vinyl on the machine, and it quiets down when it's not there. The thing is smart! I love that. I'm not in a rush to turn the thing off because I barely hear it when it's on (granted, I'm hard of hearing). But, I always knew the LP24 was on, and it was especially loud when cutting.

2. Your cutter may be fighting you. With my LP24, it just wouldn't cut some decals correctly, even correcting for the file being valid. My own 'spacep0d' logos, for some reason, gave my old cutter fits and I only got a 20% yield or so, and I took every step to ensure correct cutting; Clean Cut blades, grounding the cutter to an outlet, good quality Oracal 651 vinyl, ensuring that the file was clean and error-free (tested by others) etc. Nothing I did fixed that problem. However, the Roland cuts this decal with 100% yield. Why? Hell if I know. Servo motor? Better precision? I also lost a major client because my LP24 could not handle small decals with the clarity and detail they wanted, and they were very discerning clients. The Roland could cut these all day long, no doubt. Hopefully, no more lost clients and many more new ones!

3. Your cutter may not know how wide your roll is or the area of a piece. This is what I expected from the Roland actually, but wow I was surprised to learn that it knows how large a piece of vinyl is, and automatically calculates an ideal cutting area. This let me quickly turn scraps into stickers. I could cut scraps with the LP24, but I'd have to carefully measure each to be sure I stayed within the area without the rollers losing grip of the piece. SO much easier on the Roland. One great thing is that the Roland Cut Studio software can grab the document size from the cutter and import it, so you can use the ideal cutting area of a scrap, no matter how small, in an ideal fashion. This is a boon compared to the old method. 

4. You don't know good weeding until you've worked with a precision cutter. The LP24 was fine once I had dialed-in the proper pressure for each type of vinyl, apart from stickers it simply could not cut well. But, everything weeds more easily with the Roland. I went from weeding a single sticker at a time to ripping off whole sheets of sticker excess just to see if I could. I could, though I don't like to lose stickers so I don't mind creating weed lines. Precise cuts just weed better. 80 grams seems to be a good pressure for regular Oracal 651 vinyl, though this can vary a lot depending on how thin or thick the vinyl is. Very thin silver (almost like tinsel) needs 40g or it breaks up badly. A stiff gold vinyl needs about 100g plus.

5. Registration Marks. I figured out how to do contour cutting on the LP24 and did gobs of it, but it was a bit of voodoo to actually get it working....and I would have mysterious offsets that I would have to account-for manually....which was fine until the offsets were different on each row of stickers! It's just doesn't have the precision a Roland does. On the Roland, contour cuts, dare I say...are PERFECT. Plus, I can cut razor-thin borders I'd never attempt on the LP-24. That actually affected some designs I would create for the LP knowing that it might be a struggle to get even borders, and this was especially apparent with any kind of round shape next to an inner line in the art itself. The Roland cut a teeny tiny border, perfectly and consistently across a whole 8.5x11" page. It's such a simple thing, but it made me deliriously happy to see this and I wouldn't appreciate it so much had I not had such deep experience doing contour-cutting on the LP.

6. Roland's Cut Studio software, on the other hand, is a bit primitive. No user-changeable hotkeys (Just ALT+Letter keys), no known hotkeys to zoom in and out (but for the mouse wheel, but I use a Wacom tablet). But, it has important tools you do need such as basic shapes, alignment/spacing tools, etc. The way you copy and paste things is primitive (compared to Illustrator) but it's serviceable. It gets the job done, and the good thing is that there is an available plugin for both Illustrator and Corel Draw. If I can figure out how to get the cutter document size into Illustrator I'll be golden (other than just remembering the numbers and entering them manually). However, the UPside to all this is that I can cancel my ongoing subscription with Sign Cut Prod Pro and save money there. SignCut is fantastic software though...and highly recommended with the LP24.

Basically, the LP24 is a good starting cutter, but there's some wisdom in going straight for the servo-motor pro stuff (even if it's not a Roland). I have some competition here with what I do (in my circle of clients and such), and all of my competition had better cutters than me even though I've been doing this the longest. So, I finally have a pro cutter and I gotta say, it's well worth it. Dealing with U.S. Cutter was good too, despite them omitting the letter of my townhome unit and just about giving me a heart attack before shipping. ;) It was quickly resolved though. Putting together this Roland was a breeze, and every part feels top-quality...and that includes the stand itself. I know there are super costly cutters out there, but I can't say enough good things about the Roland GS-24 so far. My business has matured and I have a good client base....and this upgrade has been a long-time coming—seven years in fact. 

If you're considering an upgrade...really consider it. The whole experience is like going from a Kia to a Ferrari. Every minute you spend on a pro cutter is worth the expense, in my view. It's hard to appreciate unless you know what you're getting...and what you're missing. Despite anything I might say negatively about the LP, it allowed me to learn pretty much everything I know relating to vinyl-cutting and was the cutter I used to build my vinyl, contour-cutting and domed-decal business. 

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was going to write something else but thought better of it     like the post though

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we always get these post when someone that has used a stepper for a long time moves up to a servo machine.   nothing beats a roland for finding registration marks, nothing beats a graphtec for fine detail and nothing beats a titan for well priced servo - and the summa is right in there too

Oh and no one beats Dan for spelling and grammar lol

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we always get these post when someone that has used a stepper for a long time moves up to a servo machine.   nothing beats a roland for finding registration marks, nothing beats a graphtec for fine detail and nothing beats a titan for well priced servo - and the summa is right in there too

Oh and no one beats Dan for spelling and grammar lol

Haha. Yeah, I mean I was blown away! The upgrade is even better than I realized. It's funny having that direct knowledge of both and experiencing the process of cutting a batch of decals with both stepper and servo....and all the little perks of a pro-quality cutter. I am not trying to slam the LP too much either. That thing got my sticker business jamming and I learned a lot, but I also experienced its limitations. 

Spelling and grammar, always....but I do that in part for the reader. ;)

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was going to write something else but thought better of it     like the post though

Sounds mysterious! ;) Glad ya like the post. I'm just a new Roland owner whose happy cutting decals again. 

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Well written . I use a value cutter and while it makes me money, I can't do tiny decals. I have to email back to request larger sizes, bolden fonts, freeze vinyl, and a lot of time turn away jobs.

I never have the money to invest in new equipment. Too many bills and Bs. Would love to though.

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Well written . I use a value cutter and while it makes me money, I can't do tiny decals. I have to email back to request larger sizes, bolden fonts, freeze vinyl, and a lot of time turn away jobs.

I never have the money to invest in new equipment. Too many bills and Bs. Would love to though.

I hear ya. Took me seven years making money with a very cheap cutter before I could upgrade. But, if and when you can swing it, it's worth it. It was really tough to lose that one client. I hope you can upgrade before too long. As your business grows it should be much easier to get the upgrade, though I understand there's some irony where losing clients undermines growing a business, but you need an expensive cutter to facilitate that. Bit of a catch-22. You may also consider using credit since you'll eventually make your money back with the better cutter. 

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Well written . I use a value cutter and while it makes me money, I can't do tiny decals. I have to email back to request larger sizes, bolden fonts, freeze vinyl, and a lot of time turn away jobs.

I never have the money to invest in new equipment. Too many bills and Bs. Would love to though.

over the years I put a little back from each job and put that into updating the equipment - started with a p-cut - had mh, copam and several roland and graphtecs - by saving a little each time it adds up quickly

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I hear ya, I just don't have a full time job so every dime I make goes towards supplies of some sort and bills

I should consider myself fortunate though. Hated my job haha

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I hear ya, I just don't have a full time job so every dime I make goes towards supplies of some sort and bills

I should consider myself fortunate though. Hated my job haha

I understand - worked in a prison for 27.5 years - no little kid ever says I want to work in a prison some day.  didn't like it but it paid the bills so I stuck with it

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@dakota that's a tough gig brother. I was in the nursing field. May have to go back per diem. I was crushing it online and now I am so slow this week. Not sure what's going on

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