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#1 fuz

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:50 AM

I am using clear choice transfer tape with EnduraGLOSS vinyl. I have never had a problem before until now. Nothing has changed.
When I am ready to put the decal on a surface, it will NOT come off the tape. I use a credit card and smooth everything out like I normally would and pull back the tape in all directions but it just stays on the tape.

Does room temperature have anything to do with this?

I have sales and I need to get this resolved.

Decal is approximately 5" x 5".

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:19 AM

Temperature is a factor, yes.
Also, what is the surface like? Make sure it's clean (use isopropyl alcohol).

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:22 AM

use paper tape -- then if you have trouble you can spray it and wait a minute for it to release. What surface are you applying to - did you clean it good before applying? is it a new roll of either?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:33 AM

Surface temp makes a diference. Cleaning the surface is important too as said above.

You say nothing has changed - have you used THIS PARTICULAR roll of vinyl before?

Have you applied to the THIS PARTICULAR substrate material before?

Do you have a vinyl applicator squeegee - probably will get better pressure than a credit card - and may make the difference in getting the adhesive to grab. It is called "pressure sensitive adhesive" for a reason.

You may need to get a lower tac transfer tape to make the job easier. Paper tape can be sprayed to aid in release.

In the meantime - I have had some jobs that I had to work to get the tape away from the vinyl after application.

First - get a vinyl squeegee. and squeegee the graphic down very well -

Here is a 3M video - for the proper technique - to get you started with good technique. I know I see guys doing the "incorrect" techniques and getting good results - I did it myself - so it may bea matter of learning the "touch" needed rather than the correct position and movement of the squeegee - but 3M has been doing this longer than I have so I accept their advice.



I have had to "roll" the app tape off of the vinyl - press on the point where the tape is coming off the vinyl and pull the app tape flat against the surface with your other hand - doing a press and drag on the vinyl with your fingers to keep it in contact with the substate while dragging the tape off in the opposit direction. It is a pain in the a$$ -- lower tac tape is a better solution.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:38 AM

Surface temp makes a diference. Cleaning the surface is important too as said above.

You say nothing has changed - have you used THIS PARTICULAR roll of vinyl before?

Have you applied to the THIS PARTICULAR substrate material before?

Do you have a vinyl applicator squeegee - probably will get better pressure than a credit card - and may make the difference in getting the adhesive to grab. It is called "pressure sensitive adhesive" for a reason.

You may need to get a lower tac transfer tape to make the job easier. Paper tape can be sprayed to aid in release.

In the meantime - I have had some jobs that I had to work to get the tape away from the vinyl after application.

First - get a vinyl squeegee. and squeegee the graphic down very well -

Here is a 3M video - for the proper technique - to get you started with good technique. I know I see guys doing the "incorrect" techniques and getting good results - I did it myself - so it may bea matter of learning the "touch" needed rather than the correct position and movement of the squeegee - but 3M has been doing this longer than I have so I accept their advice.



I have had to "roll" the app tape off of the vinyl - press on the point where the tape is coming off the vinyl and pull the app tape flat against the surface with your other hand - doing a press and drag on the vinyl with your fingers to keep it in contact with the substate while dragging the tape off in the opposit direction. It is a pain in the a$$ -- lower tac tape is a better solution.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

This is a new roll of transfer tape. It's been really cold here recently so the temperature in the house is warmer because we cranked up the heat. I did put the transfer tape in my basement where it's not as warm and I will see if that made a difference after work today.

It isn't the vinyl (I don't think) because I used an old piece of tape I constantly reuse and it worked perfect. I have never cleaned the vinyl prior to putting the tape on it.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:23 AM

what is the surface/substrate you tried applying your decal to? if the surface/substrate is textured, that could also be the problem
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:35 AM

what is the surface/substrate you tried applying your decal to? if the surface/substrate is textured, that could also be the problem


Wood veneer and cardboard. Like I said, nothing has changed but temperature and a new roll of tape. I have put decals on this location about 20 times.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:55 AM

There are two types of Clear Choice, high tack and medium tack, is it possible the tape you are now using is the high tack?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

I've come to the conclusion it's the tape. I have used this same vinyl with my old roll of tape which is now gone and it just worked perfect. Tried again with new roll and still messing up. Can you recommend tape for enduragloss vinyl?

It's medium tack but not working, don't know why.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

I just don't use clear tape. Myself, I prefer paper tape.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

Enduragloss vinyl is General Formulations vinyl. which also goes by names Shinerite, EMC500, and many other names. It is the house brand of many sign supply companies. I use Main medium tack paper tape with it and Rtape At60 clear choice, medium tack, with no problems. But I rarely use clear tape. Paper tape is my tape of choice.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:30 PM

Thanks for all the comments.

I just don't understand why it's not working when the tape is the same as the first roll I used.

What makes this worse, I have outstanding orders. I'm going to run to the art supply store tomorrow and buy 2 sheets and see if that one works.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

If your going to run a business, you will need different sizes, and back ups of supplies. I think If you would try paper tape you would like it better. And paper tape conforms better. Can be rolled up etc. I can roll up 12-16ft decals with no problems for shipping. Try and do that with a clear tape.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

If your going to run a business, you will need different sizes, and back ups of supplies. I think If you would try paper tape you would like it better. And paper tape conforms better. Can be rolled up etc. I can roll up 12-16ft decals with no problems for shipping. Try and do that with a clear tape.



Do you have a particular brand you like?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

Do you have a particular brand you like?


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

If you're using the AT-60 then it's the app tape.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:45 AM

Interesting but seems like people are having the opposite problem. My vinyl comes off the backing fine onto the tape. I just can't get the vinyl off the tape onto a surface.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

I ended up buying some transfer paper tape at a B&M store. Saved my butt and it works so that proves my tape is defective!




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