vectorman 0 Posted July 9, 2009 well gays afther i drag about this one look what happened........ i need your knowledge opinion on this embarrassing one to understand who's fault is it and what went worng. this is a Gardner car normally drive on the road the wether is sunny Israel ,i applied the strips wet what u see is afther 8 month's in winter and spring time i used 3 years vynil (kemica-italy) thanks Ron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay2703 704 Posted July 9, 2009 Did you prep the surface properly before applying the vinyl? Clean all of the wax off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest round2racing Posted July 10, 2009 Looks to me like the vinyl was very thin and almost transparent. The adhesive failed and the vinyl shrunk and tore. Since the vehicle was going to be subjected to the weather, it should have had a much higher rating. I would say the fault lies in the person who chose the thin vinyl and didn't use oracal vinyl. Just my .02. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fivestar Posted July 10, 2009 That's what happens when you use calendared vinyl instead of cast vinyl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CKR 0 Posted July 10, 2009 I have Oracal 651 on my trailer for 5+ years and it looks as good as the day it was installed. Black on a white trailer sitting in the sun 100+ and in the cold. CKR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest round2racing Posted July 10, 2009 I'm currently using ShineRite and my graphics look good. I accidentally ordered a calendered vinyl when I first started. Needless to say, purple paintjob shows through the yellow graphics. Gonna peel em and do-over! Sorry this happened to your vinyl job, but live and learn I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midsouthprosigns 0 Posted July 10, 2009 The vinyl lifted in the valleys. I see a lot of this with bad wraps. If you do not set the vinyl to the new contour it wants to lift up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayshorecreations 30 Posted July 10, 2009 I agree with most of the comments already said, the other thing to be said is to use 3M primer on the contoured areas. It helps a lot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kenya Posted July 10, 2009 I agree with Jay & Five. You must prep the surface & use cast. Sorry this happened to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest round2racing Posted July 10, 2009 Bay,what is the 3m primer? Does it help activate the adhesive so you don't have lifting problems? I haven't had lifting problems, but why wait for a problem if you can prevent it? an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayshorecreations 30 Posted July 10, 2009 You got it! Check it out: http://www.stickercity.com/3m-tape-primer-94-for-vehicle-wrapping.html I just googled it and that was the first link I clicked on. Have never purchased from that place so I am not endorsing that supplier at all. I know Fellers carries it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fivestar Posted July 10, 2009 I have Oracal 651 on my trailer for 5+ years and it looks as good as the day it was installed. Black on a white trailer sitting in the sun 100+ and in the cold. CKR Yeah try putting it over those types of contours he did and see how long it stays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vectorman 0 Posted July 11, 2009 well thanks 4 all comments the thing in this one is the curves .the stuff didn't couth the curves, it was to much for kemica(italyien made) which i use ofthen whithe no problems i my opinion & from me my experience ORACAL 651631 will be just fine for this one. anyway i fixed the fail white a patch & it is look beeter Lucky me that the costumer is easy going & love the job i have never saw such thing :that a pro sing adhesive will fa ill on curves? ,when i applied i didn't stretched i applied wet, and the whole design was made for easy install well i we learned something so there was a good reason to get up in the morning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeBlow 5 Posted July 12, 2009 I agree with both Five Star and MidSouth That's what happens when you use calendared vinyl instead of cast vinyl. The vinyl lifted in the valleys. I see a lot of this with bad wraps. If you do not set the vinyl to the new contour it wants to lift up. And probably using a bit of heat in the contours & valleys would of helped. Vinyl has a memory, and without heat of approximately 180 degrees it tries to to revert back to it original shape & form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites