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Ahhhh if only I had the time to get into this...

The medical profession needs regulation and oversite, but it also needs to stay in the public sector. The government has yet to impliment anything properly, social security and welfare come to mind.

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Healthcare is NOT the problem... i'll tell you where the problem lies. I went just yesterday and purchased 100 pills, gues what it cost me.... $850.00 bucks!

We wonder why our health insurance cost are way to much?:huh: Go ask the drug companies that are selling this stuff with a 1000% markup.

Like for instance, I was standing inline at the drug store here (CVS). I saw at least 2 old people that I heard them speaking saying, there's nothing left of my SS check after I buy this medicine. One for instance was paying $1100.00 bucks at one time?:huh:??

You think the problem lies in health care?:huh:? I think not, the problem lies with the drug companies and the doctors outragous bill.

Then you wonder why the doctors out driving a bmw, lexus....? Your good ole SS check paid for that car, house, pontoon, big boat down here sitting in the ocean.

I don't see why people do not get this point... DRUG COMPANIES charge way to much!

Go to the hospital and let them give you a tylonol.... see how much just that tylonol cost.

My 5 cents

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DRUG COMPANIES charge way to much.

My 5 cents

Not in Canada. And do you know WHY? because the government regulates how much they can charge.

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Healthcare is NOT the problem... i'll tell you where the problem lies. I went just yesterday and purchased 100 pills, gues what it cost me.... $850.00 bucks!

We wonder why our health insurance cost are way to much?:huh: Go ask the drug companies that are selling this stuff with a 1000% markup.

You are starting to realize that for-profit insurance companies ARE the problem. Think about it, would the government (which runs Medicare) also let them charge you that much for drugs? They can fix pricing AND spread costs over 305 million Americans. This would mean your drugs would be a reasonable price. Guess how much those same drugs would cost in Mexico? Probably pennies on the dollar. Same with France, the UK, Japan, Canada, etc.

Like for instance, I was standing inline at the drug store here (CVS). I saw at least 2 old people that I heard them speaking saying, there's nothing left of my SS check after I buy this medicine. One for instance was paying $1100.00 bucks at one time?:huh:??

This is the result of two things. One, health insurance companies bargain with doctors and drug manufacturers for lower prices. As a response, drug companies and doctors increase their 'sticker price', which for the uninsured is astronomical. Right now, the uninsured pay 4x more for the same care than an insured person, and sometimes more than that.

The for-profit insurance companies ARE the problem, but this is because of exactly what you fight against, lack of reform. First, we need to reform costs, second, we need to spread costs amongst not just your company or VA care, Medicare or however you have insurance, but between 305 million Americans. If everyone pays in and with government regulation, costs will come way down and ironically healthcare will cost less for the government than it does now.

You think the problem lies in health care?:huh:? I think not, the problem lies with the drug companies and the doctors outragous bill.

The problem is with lack of reform, but also the fact that health care costs are not spread enough because not everyone is paying in to the same system. You have various systems which have overlap (VA care and Medicare for example) but there's no organized, consolidated system with reforms, checks and balances for ALL Americans as a single pool as exists in other countries which spend far less, and with far less personal cost for better healthcare.

Then you wonder why the doctors out driving a bmw, lexus....? Your good ole SS check paid for that car, house, pontoon, big boat down here sitting in the ocean.

I don't see why people do not get this point... DRUG COMPANIES charge way to much!

Are you on Medicare Ash? If so, you can thank Bush's privatized drug policy for the crazy increase in prices. Medicare is government-run, but privatized drug policies are not. Guess which area has the most corruption? Again, Medicare is efficient and with very low overhead, meaning costs are regulated. Private, for-profit drug and insurance companies don't have regulated pricing and will always be more expensive, even if they don't need to be. Again, it's even worse if you're uninsured because there's nobody negotiating down the crazy sticker prices.

Go to the hospital and let them give you a tylonol.... see how much just that tylonol cost.

It will cost up to 4x more if you are uninsured than the bargained-for price for the insured, depending on your insurance company. It's a hot mess, and your example is one reason why government-run, single-payer system with reforms (and caps on doctor salaries) would improve the situation of all Americans. Doctors in the U.K. make about 80k a year, which is a healthy living. They do train just as much as American doctors, without the crazy salaries. There's prestige that goes with being a doctor so the reward doesn't need to be simply financial.

Seriously, go find out how much your drug costs at a Mexican pharmacy. Or, check the prices in Universal-healthcare countries such as Canada, France, the U.K. Sweden, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, etc. All of these countries have Universal healthcare in different forms. If you know a friend in these countries, have them call the pharmacy and ask about the price of the exact prescription you need. You might be surprised.

Check out this link about why drugs are cheaper in Mexico and Canada:

http://healthinsurance.about.com/od/prescriptiondrugs/a/foreign_pharmacies.htm

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Me on medicare...:huh:? haahahah not hardly. I don't sit on my butt and let someone take care of me.

I'm not getting into this issue. I said my views, you said yours.

I'm finished.

Have a great day!

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Me on medicare...:huh:? haahahah not hardly. I don't sit on my butt and let someone take care of me.

I'm not getting into this issue. I said my views, you said yours.

I'm finished.

Have a great day!

Well if you're 65 or older, you're eligible for Medicare whether you sign up or not.

Your views are not equal to mine, because you're not informed about the facts, and I am. Come on Ash, you brought up socialism, death panels and Hitler. Your views are comically misinformed on the matter and at best, silly non-sequitur mixed with some TeaBagger hyperbole. That doesn't stop me from trying to improve your outlook with data. ;) I say that out of observation, not as an attempt to put you down. I generally like you, even if we disagree, so don't be distracted by my direct language.

Just go research, and ignore this thread until you've learned more about how U.S. healthcare works, how for-profit insurance companies make your drugs cost 850.00 and how it's done better in other countries. I recommend you read, 'The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care.' by T.R. Reid. It's really educational.

Now, you characterize Medicare eligibility with 'sitting on your butt', but nobody said a thing about sitting on your butt. You're erroneously conflating 'working' with 'healthcare'. Universal healthcare is just a means of keeping Americans healthy, but detaching this responsibility from your job (which pays you already).

Also, if a company doesn't have to take care of YOUR healthcare, they can afford to hire more people and are more internationally competitive. That's a boost for the economy and for people 'sitting on their butts' when they could be working. Supporting the current system actually KEEPS people sitting on their butts when the economy tanks, as it has. When I lost my job in 2008, I lost healthcare and my income, but I've been freelancing ever since with no health insurance. It's silly to have healthcare tied to a job when it should be tied to a person. I don't rely on my job for car-insurance, after all, why should a job be responsible for my health insurance?

Hopefully next time you spend 850.00 on 100 pills you'll think about some of the things you've read in this thread. ;)

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"Me on medicare...:huh:? haahahah not hardly. I don't sit on my butt and let someone take care of me."

are you suggesting that my 88 year old mother (and the millions of elderly in this country) are sitting on their butts letting someone else take care of them? Got news for ya....when you pay your social security every year...you are paying into the medicare fund. It's not a giveaway...everyone on it paid into it. And when the time comes that you NEED it, you'll be GD thankful for it..trust me.

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Ahhhh if only I had the time to get into this...

The medical profession needs regulation and oversite, but it also needs to stay in the public sector. The government has yet to impliment anything properly, social security and welfare come to mind.

The medical profession is not currently in the public sector, at least not most of it. The government takes care of schools, fire, police, parks, military, currency, permits and zoning, drug regulations (FDA), Healthcare for Medicare, veterans, active military, prisoners, government employees and the very poor, why on Earth couldn't they handle a reformed and consolidated system?

Social Security is just fine as long as the money is left unmolested. Where would a lot of older people be without it? Welfare actually helps some people, but abuses can be reformed, like anything else.

Universal healthcare is done better and cheaper in other countries, and America has a lot to learn from them, especially France, Germany and the U.K.

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The medical profession is not currently in the public sector, at least not most of it. The government takes care of schools, fire, police, parks, military, currency, permits and zoning, drug regulations (FDA), Healthcare for Medicare, veterans, active military, prisoners, government employees and the very poor, why on Earth couldn't they handle a reformed and consolidated system?

Social Security is just fine as long as the money is left unmolested. Where would a lot of older people be without it? Welfare actually helps some people, but abuses can be reformed, like anything else.

Universal healthcare is done better and cheaper in other countries, and America has a lot to learn from them, especially France, Germany and the U.K.

BJ, for one I wasn't talking about the elderly, he was referring to me, (43) as being on medicare (which I am not)

But, let the government rule you. I'm from the south, I'm a rebel. I don't take ruling me. That's why we got away from the queen.

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BJ, for one I wasn't talking about the elderly, he was referring to me, (43) as being on medicare (which I am not)

But, let the government rule you. I'm from the south, I'm a rebel. I don't take ruling me. That's why we got away from the queen.

Ash, it was a hypothetical. You're only a year older than me and neither of us is eligible (yet) for Medicare. We will be when we turn 65, but we will have Universal healthcare long before that time. May I ask, what insurance do you have now, if any, and how do you have it?

You can be a rebel and be intelligent with regard to healthcare. For America to be strong, our Americans need to be *alive* and able-bodied. Being healthy means better morale for the nation, instead of plagued by medical debt and insolvency.

Americans as a whole have great medical *technology*, but it's useless without sufficient access. We need access to healthcare with cost controls on doctors, procedures, hospital stays, and drugs. We need preventive care and preferably without going bankrupt and without putting the burden of healthcare on employers in a competitive global economy.

The fact that France is number one ranked by the World Health Organization with regard to healthcare, and manages to do this for 11% of its GDP as opposed to America's 17% makes a good case. Universal healthcare, as measured in every nation that has it, is overwhelmingly more efficient, cheaper (for government and per person) and results in more quality life years and less infant mortality for those who benefit from it. These are statistics as measured by a reputable source, the World Health Organization. Feel free to browse their site.

What else explains the richest nation on Earth coming in 37th with regard to healthcare? We can do better. We just need to learn from other countries and apply the best system which would work for a large country like ours. I am thinking the German system would be a good fit for us....where we keep private insurance, but there's a government-mandate to pay in, we all get a base package of benefits and the for-profit motive is removed to eliminate corruption, while insurance companies can still compete for our business with added-benefits, better customer service, etc.

We have everything to lose, and a lot to gain.

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Don't worry NUK, God will make things better for you man! I just know it! :thumbsup::D

Sorry, my allegiance is to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He touched me with his noodly appendage. :blink:

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Sorry, my allegiance is to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He touched me with his noodly appendage. :blink:

Nuk, were you ever in Deliverance man? heheheheeh

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No, but I know a kid who can play a mean banjo....

heheheheeheh. I wish I could, I love those thing's!

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Sorry, my allegiance is to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He touched me with his noodly appendage. :blink:

If anything should be classified as TMI, that's it!!

:D

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If anything should be classified as TMI, that's it!!

:D

Dang you BAY!!!! I fell outta my chair on that one! wwwwwwwwwwhhahahaahaha

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200 Tylenol 3s cost me 20.25 the other day...

Brand name drugs are cheaper in Canada but often generics are more money....

Is there ever a situation where you'd spend $850.00 for 100 pills in Canada?

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We pay the 1st 600.00 each year (deductible) , then 30% until we have paid another 600.00 and then we are covered 100%....With the transplant drugs my partner takes, we have paid our 1,200 early in January so the rest of year are covered by the government plan.....

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We pay the 1st 600.00 each year (deductible) , then 30% until we have paid another 600.00 and then we are covered 100%....With the transplant drugs my partner takes, we have paid our 1,200 early in January so the rest of year are covered by the government plan.....

I bet the actual drug prices are lower too, especially generic as you mentioned. Some Americans end up going to Canada or Mexico for affordable prescription drugs (at least for the ones which are cost-prohibitive in the U.S.).

How would most Canadians feel about going back to private insurance? ;) Do you know who Tommy Douglas is? I hear in Canada he's somewhat of a folk hero.

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200 Tylenol 3s cost me 20.25 the other day...

Brand name drugs are cheaper in Canada but often generics are more money....

Humm.... you made a typo NUK. She said generics ARE MORE money man.

$1200.00 deductable a year..... humm I pay $400.00 yearly for family of 4

Tylonol $20.25 a bottle hummm http://www.cvs.com/C...jump&navCount=3

Let's see.... then she has to pay for meds

I paid 5% of $850.00 bucks the other day.....

Poor NUK, I feel sorry for ya man. You don't see it, if it's slapping you in the face, do ya?

Like I said, you can go on for the rest of your book writing life on here, and the outcome will be the same.

OBAMA care stinks!

Drug companies and doctors are charging a fortune, then in turn it makes the insurance rates higher!

We need drug company reform, not Obama Care

I'm done with this thread NUK.... so save your book for publishing.

I bet the actual drug prices are lower too, especially generic as you mentioned. Some Americans end up going to Canada or Mexico for affordable prescription drugs (at least for the ones which are cost-prohibitive in the U.S.).

Watch out for your typo's like that man! ahhahaahahahah :blink:

School 101..... understanding what you read. Here, go read this, it will help you understand things more clearly.

http://www.nvcc.edu/...erstanding1.htm

Have an AWESOME day! I will! hehehehehe

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Hmmmm ... How much are the motel rooms in Canada :huh: cause I'm thinking you two need to get a room soon !!! :D Another member & FouASh were gonna get a room last week , so maybe some consevation could be included to help things out ... of course unless the " buy your way out of debt philosophy is gonna be used .... :P

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NOW THAT IS JUST SCARY RODGER! wwwwwwwwhahahaah Paybacks a bummer too = )

I'll just wait for Mr. Boar and let him sneak up on you and not say anything whhhahaahah

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