Well thanks for the input, I tried it on my laptop and it installed, and gave me the com port for serial cable (4) she now works, cut a few circles and letters. Sure is going to be alot to learn. I have the pen in her (with a roll of freezer paper) and am playing with it. Thanks again Im sure I will have many questions-never used one of these, I have a small body shop and this could be a useful tool, luder