Dakota thanks for the reply!!! No I don't think it's a newer plotter, the machine was given to me and so I am trying to find a program that will work with it as I am very new to industrial size machines. I'm new to this period and very uneducated about it so please forgive my ignorance if I am asking silly questions. Dakota I tried all of the redsail drivers and none of them are working. Not sure what or if i am doing something wrong. But the program pulled up a screen for the print job but nothing happened. I may be just plain retarded when it comes to all of this :/