whats up with oracal

[ajgarber70]

i have used the bgs and when i make 2 or 3 layer stickers and i wet it down with water and soap i never have a problem with it but with the new oracal i am useing when i wet it to stick the next layer to it the backing paper absorbs the water and after it dryes out the sticker is just wavey and crinkeled up why. 

[MaderDesign]

Just a question, which Oracal are you using? And here is another. Why are you wetting it down with your layering them on top of each other? My understanding is only time to wet app is when applying the vinyl to a car or object. Another way would be registration marks to line them up without doing it wet.

[ajgarber70]

it is the 651 i am useing water in a spray bottel with a drop or 2 of dawn i know i need reg marks but cant seem to figure that out i have tryed to make a square box out to the side's of the project but it wont show up when i cut it. im useing signblazer and it dont have the reg. marks with it plus i have a internet job to make some 2 layer 22x36 numbers so i need to layer them so the customer can just apply it all in 1

[Dakotagrafx]

I thought Dawn was a no no because of the wetting agents and the grease cutters attacking the adhesive? 

[ajgarber70]

might be right on that i just do it because i see where people say to use a drop or 2 or soap and before i got in to this the local signshop always told me to do it that way??? the problem i have is if the backing paper on oracal gets wet then when it dries it looks very wavey not flat just like a bunch of pot holes all over?? the water never soaked through the bgs backing paper and always turned out awesome when finished...plus anytime i try to layer dry its either crooked or full of air bubbles

[midwaste]

I tried layering 2-color wet on the backing paper one time, and got the same results, the paper was all wrinkled up.
Not sure why this wouldn't happen with BGS, though.

You should learn how to do dry layering if you are going to do it on the backer.  The reason your registration squares might not be coming up/cutting in SBE is because they arent exactly the same color as the color you are cutting.
Alternately, you could build something like the Speedpress: http://www.speedpress.com/products.asp?id=16

Practice makes perfect..

[ajgarber70]

thanks i'm trying to layer them dry but it is getting bad now i am trying to put the last layer on the middel layer first i'm getting it lined up good but when i try to pull the tape off it is lifting the oracal vinyl up just enough for it to get air under it and then it is full of bubbels but no bubbles between the two layers just the layer that's on the backing papper??? i am useing the clear transferrite 1310 could that be the problem now trying to do it dry it almost seems like it sticks to hard to the oracal but releases fine from chrome??

[ajgarber70]

how do you know if you get a bad roll of vinyl because it almost seems as if it shrinks up when i pull it off the roll before i stick it to anything and it has bubbels in it from where it shrinks up i think. i like the way the oracal weeds out but with as much trouble im having with it i think it might be better to stick with the bgs. i have to get a roll of white and i am thinking about giving it another try with oracal from the local place in nashville instead of the place online i got it. it just seems weird because bgs,lg,schein and avery i have not had this problem at all. so that why i am thinking now it just might be a bad roll

[HowardI]

Just a little bit of FYI on the reg marks.
Use a plus sign or x or something for reg marks and make them a color that is NOT part of the design.

When going to the cut screen choose the color you're wanting to cut AND the reg mark color (use the control key on the keyboard while clicking on the colors to turn them on and off individually)

This will allow you to cut each layer with the reg marks.

Application fluid has the surfactants needed to do a wet application without the ingredients that destroy the adhesive on the vinyl. 

Howard Irwin
Support Specialist
US Cutter
425-481-3555
888-298-8143
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[tekcorps]

Wow, layering wet on your table. That is heading for disaster. Backing paper will wrinkle when it has been wet.

Try peeling off the backing paper when it has any to the slightest moisture in it. Be pulling your hair out in seconds!

Anyone that has experienced this knows what I mean.

With the others on this one ajgarber70, registration marks. Figure you out a system that works for you and practice it dry. Only way to roll.  

[Booper]

You gotta do it dry brother, go on Youtube and type in 4 layer decal and watch the video of how the guy does it, he peels the backing paper off and repositions it so that the registration marks are exposed and lines it up with the lower layer, then peels the backing off and repeats the same process for each layer.  Notice he is using Oracal 651. In my opinion you will be happier with the Oracal than the BGS long term.

[Dakotagrafx]

You gotta do it dry brother, go on Youtube and type in 4 layer decal and watch the video of how the guy does it, he peels the backing paper off and repositions it so that the registration marks are exposed and lines it up with the lower layer, then peels the backing off and repeats the same process for each layer.  Notice he is using Oracal 651. In my opinion you will be happier with the Oracal than the BGS long term.

+1

[ajgarber70]

thanks everyone i will try everything today watch the video and try some more on getting the reg. marks to work i got the marks to show up last night by welding them but it then become part of the design that i did not like. so i will try the other way thanks everyone.

[ajgarber70]

well i give up on oracal i just cant seem to get it to work no matter what i try to stick it to it just wont stick wheather im trying to make a 2 layer sticker with it or just by it's self. it's like i stick it and it is good then i walk away come back and it is just full of littel pin hole bubbles it just wont stick so do you all think it might just be a bad roll?? i have never had this happen with bgs lg,or avery everything goes good with that. but this oracal is about to hit the burn pit it is the 651 brilliant blue..

[midwaste]

well i give up on oracal i just cant seem to get it to work no matter what i try to stick it to it just wont stick wheather im trying to make a 2 layer sticker with it or just by it's self. it's like i stick it and it is good then i walk away come back and it is just full of littel pin hole bubbles it just wont stick so do you all think it might just be a bad roll?? i have never had this happen with bgs lg,or avery everything goes good with that. but this oracal is about to hit the burn pit it is the 651 brilliant blue..

What are you applying it on?  Are the bubbles there when you first apply it?